As for your friend, take her to the lake in January and actually walk on water just like Jesus used to do

It is just that some people have it worse than others. Years of slavery and Jim Crow Laws have left a psychological scar on the minds of majority of African-Americans, and though this doesn’t excuse the failures of some, yet it is wrong to discount it as a factor. Even today, a Black person is less than likely to be hired compared to a White Person or any-other person for that matter. There are quite entrenched problems African-Americans face, and hence solutions should keep their history and conditions in perspective

PS:- You don’t want to know about my opinion about taxation and our government’s role in our society

If we reject these government assistance to the needy, then we should also reject the entire Tax System, getting gov’t off our backs in terms of how we live and who we marry. I think I have an inherent right to get high. Government shouldn’t tell me not to light a joint because it contradicts some law.

There are alot of ways government can do to help the needy. The main job of the any government is to protect. There is nothing wrong if government i protecting people from hunger, homelessness and illness. This is why we pay taxes

Pardon my rant but I really really dislike the ‘you owe us something” attitude!

It is heartbreaking to see poor Black people forced into homelessness and poverty in our cities and towns. Certainly, society has an obligation to help them.

I have thought that support should be given to people who have not had a chance, but, those very groups have beaten the stuffing out of me and destroyed my career when I tried to stand up and stop them.

I now live in a shelter. and, it is not as if I do not know poverty, or want – I have had plenty of it (not privilege at all). I went to school years ago, working in grocery stores and as a janitor in a factory to pay my way. In 1980, I returned to school to finish an undergrad degree under Voc Rehab.

The people who began this travesty are African American women who ran a state office in Missouri. From the start, I was denied equal pay (for my master’s degree). I was put down because I was male, had to petition the director to take down all of the anti-male posters through the offices, was sent out to investigate a sister agency that put dangerous clients into the community and was removed as coordinator of investigations when no “white-wash” was forthcoming, I was left in a situation with a sexually aggressive parent (when women in similar situations were immediately changed out), had to stand against my own agency to save the life of a client who had been severely beaten (a retarded man), and resigned siting several of their unethical, if not illegal actions. Oh, yes, there is more.

Anyway, after that, I was black-balled with behind the scenes comments and “information” passed on to potential or current employers. Yes, I was denied work (it’s called denial of livelihood in constitutional terms). Only when I reached Seattle, did the great social champions feel the freedom to openly bash me, often with open and obvious pleasure. As one put it, “I know what he’s like because I was married once”. Another, whom I thought of as a friend, I asked, “why did you do that”? The response? “Because I can.”

In Portland it really got ugly after I contacted Trimet (transportation authority) to report guards openly harassing homeless people whom Trimet officials were blaming for their loss of profits (for the record, very few homeless rode without tickets due to the aggressive targeting – and, those I witnessed, including myself, had tickets). I began to have buss drivers do cute stuff like drop me off a stop later than requested, or stop the bus two blocks before the usual break spot so I’d have to limp to the train in the rain.

The last interaction was from a young black driver who, in a deep snow, stopped about 6 feet from the curb and did not “kneel” the bus. I fell and injured my back it is damaged in two places and I have no way of getting help (no, I have not used it as an option to get rich).

I moved to Louisville KY, where the “information” as one man called it, has followed me and I have no belief that I will ever have work again. I have faced prejudice in being ignored in my application for a government sponsored senior program (Obama apparently did not mean it for me). In the state offices in which I left in good standing here, I was told that, while entitled to reinstatement under state regulations, they just got rid of one problem, the office was not running smoothly, and (this person) was not sure they would want to hire me.

Now. You tell me – how did I do wrong, other than stand up for clients and, eventually, for myself?

Reverse discrimination whether for a gay or straight man, is wrong. Even the gay community will have nothing to do with me (They were some of the worst bashers).

For more than a decade, these people have continued to destroy my life a piece at a time – most people think that because I have been, and again, am in a shelter, I did awful things – not true. But, that will never stop the weak of mind from believing it.

I’m all for helping people who NEED help…but affirmative action gives preference to an entire racial group. And some people are struggling, and some people are working at honest, well-paying jobs.

And please, help me understand what you mean by ‘reverse racism’. That term never makes sense to me. Racism, I believe, is showing preference to one racial group over another…so ideally reverse racism would be showing NO preference to one racial group. But that is rarely how I see the term used.

No offense is meant…I find this topic fascinating and enjoy hearing from all points of view. I think your post is a good one!

Enjoy this youtube video

Kargil was a low intensity conflict. Deploying the Pakistani Air Force in Kargil would have escalated the conflict and inflicted a gross self-defeat to Pakistan’s argument that its military wasn’t involved. Having said this, the Pakistani Army managed to shoot down 2 Indian jets and captured one Indian pilot as POW.

With regards to 1971, it is important to remember that a squadron of 14 PAF Jets in Bangladesh managed to keep the entire Indian Air Force at bay. In the Western Sector, I don’t think anyone disputes the fact that the Pakistani Air Force maintained Air Superiority over its skies.

Kashmir is a very controversial issue and its outcome will depend largely on what steps leaders in both countries take. The outcome of this issue will have a defining role in shaping the future of South Asia.

Keep up the good job!

Yes, I am on SOL now under Paragon.

Please do. I really enjoyed the comments you have posted. So full of insight!

Ps

Are you still on SOL?

http://paragon.wordpress.com/

The strange thing is I remember discussing the theory of relativity and new technological developments in atomic physics to explain something they call: ‘inter-relational, total field image’, which is apparently supposed to locate animals and all other organisms in a sphere in which all things exist for their own ‘intrinsic values’ and thus equal to humans. Of course there are flying criticisms that suggests that such views of animal/human equality are discriminative but what has lately come into formation is an organisation called ‘Voluntary Elimination’ (of humans), to safeguard the continiual existance and prosperity of all other species except us humans. The argument of the proponents of the latter organisation, in a nutshell, reduce human reproduction as a virus that will distroy the planet sooner or later. So, as such, man must be considerate enough to take himself out of the picture. or at least reduce his population to a number compatible with the equilibrium of the ecosphere! Now how about that?

Anyway, I am writing from memories but let me see if I can find my essay on the subject, called ‘A critique of deep ecology’ or something along those lines. I will give you a link after this comment.

lets not kick any more asses , lets decide the future of kashmir, and make it a free state , that enjoys respect and freedom ,lots of our brothers have lost their lives at the hands of New Delhi’s brutality .This is only achievable if we , and Indians can head towards a meaningful dialogue .

shahid

The essay Self-Reliance, however, makes some very bold arguments. For example, Emerson says,

““Do not search outside yourself.”

This without a doubt is the foundation of individualism and as we know individualism leads to materialism, which in turn leads to moral decay or as Nietzsche called the ” death of god.”

Also, Emerson’s definition of “genius” is quite interesting.

“To believe in your own thought, to believe what is true for you in your private heart is true for all men-that is genius.”

Given the advanced airplanes that the U.S has and has given the PAK.. U.S for all it had was shown the door in Vietnam (a small nation that did not have food to eat and shoes to wear) The PAK had the Sabre in 1971 and they lost East Pakistan. Whatever the PAK does one has to have the grit and brain (both) to fly in combat. (hatred clouds the vision and the ability to think right)

Thanks Bhai for the very kind remarks.

I should introduce myself. I am the author of a book titled “Five Short Blasts: A New Economic Theory Exposes The Fatal Flaw in Globalization and Its Consequences for America.” To make a long story short, my theory is that, as population density rises beyond some optimum level, per capita consumption of products begins to decline out of the need to conserve space. People who live in crowded conditions simply don’t have enough space to use and store many products. This declining per capita consumption, in the face of rising productivity (per capita output, which always rises), inevitably yields rising unemployment and poverty.

This theory has huge implications for U.S. policy toward population management. Our policies that encourage high rates of population growth are rooted in the belief of economists that population growth is a good thing, fueling economic growth. Through most of human history, the interests of the common good and business (corporations) were both well-served by continuing population growth. For the common good, we needed more workers to man our factories, producing the goods needed for a high standard of living. This population growth translated into sales volume growth for corporations. Both were happy.

But, once an optimum population density is breached, their interests diverge. It is in the best interest of the common good to stabilize the population, avoiding an erosion of our quality of life through high unemployment and poverty. However, it is still in the interest of corporations to fuel population growth because, even though per capita consumption goes into decline, total consumption still increases. We now find ourselves in the position of having corporations and economists influencing public policy in a direction that is not in the best interest of the common good.

The U.N. ranks the U.S. with eight other countries – India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Uganda, Ethiopia and China – as accounting for fully half of the world’s population growth by 2050. The U.S. is the only developed country still experiencing third world-like population growth.

If you’re interested in learning more about this important new economic theory, I invite you to visit my web site at OpenWindowPublishingCo.com where you can read the preface, join in my blog discussion and, of course, purchase the book if you like. (It’s also available at Amazon.com.)

Please forgive the somewhat spammish nature of the previous paragraph. I just don’t know how else to inject this new perspective into the overpopulation debate without drawing attention to the book that explains the theory.

Pete Murphy
Author, “Five Short Blasts”

Keep up the good job!

Secondly, The debate today is not of fighter planes. It is about the missiles and the nuclear warhead. Both nations are arch-rivals, which means they may even use the weapon that only the US has used that that too before the Cold War.

A little is gained from a air to air war. On top of that, a clever but a weaker air force, whether Pakistan or India (I do not want to compare), will remain grounded and use only the difficult-to-target ground launched missiles against ground targets. So no debate about air-superiority. It is a thing of the past. Maybe that is why even US is reluctant of attacking Iran using air force (the option next to cruise missiles) , because it fears the retaliation is terms of anti-ship missiles.

To the experts in this blog, I would like to ask whether a strong air force is ever needed in the battle field today.

so the whole story on ground is only suppositions nothing else.
yet i ll go by my earlier statement that we shouldnt fight in ourselves cz its not worth it.
and yeah evolvinprimate i would love to tell you everything i knw about the INDIAN AIR FORCE but i cnt cz i serve there.. dont worry when time comes if at all it comes which i pray it shouldnt but if at all we get to see PAF rammin into our territory we ll definately give them a fight.. and win
but i pray that it never happens cz its really not worth it…

I guess India is somewhat of an ally if u consider the U.S giving them computer jobs.

Its very strange that how Israel and India say that Pakistan cant be considered as a major U.S ally…Israel instead probably says that india is more worthy of being called an MNNA (Major Non-Nato (US)ally)
Whats the reason of calling India an MNNA?Did they ever send their army to confront terrorists face to face?

I know Pakistan took part in the Anatolian Eagle exercises with some F-16 operating countries in Turkey and from April 21st till the end of the month, Pakistan hosted Turkey for F-16 exercises and PAF is said to have trashed the Turkish pilots according to some inside infos leaked online. As more F-16s join service, you can expect Pakistan sending its premier pilots and Vipers to exchange tactics with Allied countries.

The 9/11 incident is quite interesting and many people have their own theories as to what exactly happened on that eventful day so you can fill the dots. America in my mind will try to stay in Afghanistan for the long haul for obvious strategic reasons.Iraq is a little bit different than Afghanistan in the sense that it is a major Oil supplier and it is in the West’s interest to keep things manageable.

Many of the Pakistanis i talked to agree that Pakistan is corrupt due to many high officials supporting the Taliban. They also have a very interesting point which Americans reject immediatly. They believe that during the Cold War, the U.S created the Taliban and even trained Bin Ladin to fight off the Russians. The U.S provided many weapons and training to the Afghans. When the Russians were eventually driven out, Afghanistan was completely devastated in terms of deaths, broken down cities, struggling economy, etc. Instead of helping Afghanistan rebuild and get back up on its feet, the U.S just left, without any sort of help in reconstructions. In retaliation, the Taliban got together and schemed a successful 9/11 to get back at the U.S and because of that, the U.S is now fighting the monster that it created itself.
So thats what many of my Pakistani friends/family believe.
Whats interesting now is that the same is kind of happening in Iraq. The next U.S president will be elected, the troops will come out, Iraq already has millions of civilians dead, U.S will just leave not helping to reconstruct Iraq. Another 9/11 might happen.
Granted, the U.S did help reconstruct the government and somewhat formed democracy, but they will never be able te repair the despair, fear, and ultimately the dreaded pain that the Iraqi citizens experienced.
And what is this b.s about entering Iran and telling them to stop their nuclear weapons program, because if the U.S does enter Iran the way it did Iraq, say hello to world war 3.

China will always give Pakistan a “sweet-heart” deal, afterall, Pakistan and China are strategic allies. Pakistan will have to pay over a long period of time in a manner that will not exhaust the Pakistani economy. The F-16 is going to be Pakistan’s last purchase, because it is trying to diversify its assest so that sanctions and other political pressures in the future doesn’t hamper Pakistan’ capacity to fight back. In addition, China and other suppliers are producing products that are both cheaper and comparable to the American systems. So Pakistan is simply placing its eggs in a safer basket.

Pakistani pilots are ranked better than most pilots in the world. There was this war-games between American and Pakistani pilots. The American pilots won a margin of 2 to 1 against the Pakistani, it was impressive because few years later flying the same planes against similiar planes flown by the European pilots the Americans trashed the Europeans by a margin of 20 European jets against every American plane shot down. So there is no question about the capabilities of the Pakistani pilots. In fact, many people place the PAF pilots behind only the Israelis, in the words of one defence expert, ” the average Pakistani pilot posses superior skills then the average American pilot.”

The concept of ” Muslim Brotherhood,” is quite an interesting concept. In my mind, the Saudis and the Emirates are supporting Pakistan of the Nuclear Bombs. A strong and powerful Pakistan provides the Arab world with a breathing space viz a viz Israeli Nukes. It is no coincidence that the Pakistani Nuclear program was financied by the Libyans, Saudis and the Emirates.

Geo-politics is all interest driven. Every Muslim country is looking out for its interest. Pakistan is simply watching out for its interest. In my mind, Pakistan believes that unstable Afghanistan will provide Pakistan with a strategic depth viz a viz India. Despite being the so-called ally of the West, Pakistan continues to support the Taliban for its strategic interest. Again, it is no coincidence that Mullah Omar is against targeting Pakistani troops and interests. It is no coincidence that Karzai and other American officials accuse Pakistan for not doing enough against the Taliban.

When the J-XX will finally be ready, dont u think purchasing a good amount of them would be too expensive for Pakistan? Its gonna be around the F-22 price: about 140 million dollars, maybe more even. And if the F-16’s will be the last jets that Pakistan buys from the U.S, u think relations will worsen? It seem that Pakistan is developing a long term relationship with China.

The jets aside, how would u rank the Pakistani pilots among the rest of the world’s pilots. History does show impressive stats, but it seems that PAF pilots are not getting enough appreciation. Most people dont even put them in the top 10, which is absurd. The thing that angers me the most is that people know PAF pilots have always been more superior than Indian pilots, yet they believe the IAF pilots are better and rank them higher.

“Muslim Brotherhood”, a strong and interesting phrase. This is kinda off topic but i always wonder when the Islamic states of Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded, why didn’t the rest of the Islamic countries help them out as fellow muslims? Instead, Pakistan allied with the U.S

The pleasure is all mine my friend! I am just sharing with you the little knowledge that I know.

About the F-35s, I think we all know how much Pakistan had to go through to get those planes. The serial humiliation and black-mailing that it endured in the 1990s is not worth taking, especially when similar tech remains all around. Evidently, the F-16s will be the last fighter planes Pakistan will purchase from the United States. The J-XX is a true competitior of the F-35 and is intended to challenge the F-22 ( at least that is the intended purpose of the project).

About the Euro-Fighters, the Arabs might potentially finance the Pakistani project as they have done in the past. The Mirages were paid for thru Arab money after-all. Many people also believe that the Saudis financed the Pakistani F-16 deal in the 1980s. The Arabs are doing this based on “Muslim Brotherhood” but because the Saudis and the Emirates have always supported the Pakistanis financially. Afterall, Pakistan generously lends its pilots to the Arabs.

The JF-17 is intended to replace the Mirages and the F-7s in the PAF inventory and we should keep that in mind. It will challenge the Mig-29s and the Mirage-2000s in the IAF but it is not the ultimate solution of the SU-30s and the MRCA deal. That is reserved for the F-16 Block-52++ and the J-10s.

Hope that helps

Anyways, some of the other so called “experts” on the other def. forums talk about Pakistan likely to go after the F-35. No one mentioned the J-XX project. I dunno, but by the time the J-XX is fully complete and established, it might eclipse the F-35; who knows. I like the idea of pursuing the Eurofighter; i think that would be the better option instead of the Rafales. Saudi’s and Emirates help finance the Pakistani order? hmm….that would be very supportive and kind, but what would the Saudi’s and Emirates get out of it?

About the JF-17, i like how Pakistan is stacking up on them. I’ve read a lot and done lots of research on the JF-17 but since u seem like an expert on the topic , i wanna know its full capabalities and limits. Do u think it can go up against the F-15, F-18 Super Hornet, Rafale, Gripen, EF-2000 maybe? some of the better 4th to 4.5 generation jets?

I think Pakistan’s answer to the SU-30MKIs will be the FC-20( an upgraded J-10, Super J-10 perhaps?). There is also something another supplementary option called European+1 option which most likely be determined by India’s choice for the MRCA deal. In my mind chances of Pakistan going for the Rafael is very slim especially since the only buyer to date remains the French. I would think that Pakistan will ultimately be the Euro-Fighter and some are even saying that the Saudis and the Emirates ( if they order it too) will help finance the Pakistani order. Forget about the F-35s, the F-16 is almost certainly the last American fighter jet order by Pakistan. Even the ACM said that in one of his interviews. For a true 5-th Generation fighter Pakistan will most certainly select the J-XX project to cover the remaining bases. At the moment, the PAC is being kept busy by the JF-17s, remember they have an order of at least 250+ of them very fast and I don’t they will be able to absorb another order. Keep in mind, we are talking about cutting edge technology, the stuff these planes come with is highly complicated and complex. These things are no Mirages! They are a true 4-th Gen fighters

I think you are talking about the J-11 a Chinese upgrade of the Russian SU-27 which some people speculate will join the Pak Navy and replace the current Mirage-5s. The plane has TV technology but realistically speaking I think the chances of it joining Pak Navy/AF are slim! Pak Navy will most likely use JF-17s, J-10s or F-16s to counter the Indian Mig-29s.

About Musharraf, I think he did more to upgrade the Pakistan Armed Forces then any other contemporary Pakistani Leader perhaps except Zia-ul-Haq. He has inducted the Al-Khalids, won the F-16s and added cutting edge technologies to the arsenal like AWACS, AMRAAMs, JDAMS and JSOWS. The Cruise Missiles such as Babur and Ra’ad have been inducted under his watch. The U-214 deal will most likely be signed by the end of this year. The JF-17 has come out to be what it is currently b/c of him, remember he went to China and persuaded the Chinese to take the project serious. Call him what you may, but you can not blame him for not upgrading the Pakistani Military.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN16119520080616
“WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President George W. Bush is ranked only slightly above the rulers of Pakistan and Iran as one of the least-trusted leaders in the world, a survey released on Monday showed.

The survey, carried out by WorldPublicOpinion.org in 20 countries around the world, found that no national leaders inspired wide confidence outside their own countries. But Bush, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ranked at the bottom, the polling showed.”

I would go with the JF-17 because it comes with proven systems such as European avionics, radars and ECMs. The LCA might not even see full service. Keep in mind, it was suppose to replace the Jaguars and the Migs in the IAF, but the fact that IAF has decided to go for external suppliers for its MRCA deals means that the LCA has not lived upto its expectations.

I am sorry buddy. I didn’t check my blog for few days b/c of moving and stuff. anyways, back to your comments,

Actually, historically Pakistani Pilots have pushed more hours then Indian pilots. In fact, in an article I read few months ago, it said that Pakistani Pilots pull roughly 210 hours per pilots compared to 230 and 220 for USAF and IDAF. In comparison, the Indians were said to be averaging less than 100 hours per pilot b/c of maintenance issues.

“As per the norms of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation, a pilot needs 1,500 hours of flying time to qualify for the Airline Pilots License. While a(n IAF) fighter pilot can hope to log about 100 hours in one full year, his transport counterpart can get past that figure in a month.”

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2005/08/16/stories/2005081602200100.htm

“The average utilisation rate of pilots in terms of flying hours per month is very low, as much as 5 to 6 hours a month,”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5094234.stm

Some more info

“Only half the fleet is available at any given time while the rest are being serviced, the documents show.

By 2010 the air forces’ transport fleet will be reduced by nearly 40%.

The IAF, which currently has 34 squadrons, plans to reduce that number to 28 by 2013.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5094234.stm

About Pakistani Pilot training and combat readiness, this is what the chief architect of, and the mastermind behind, the air campaign against Iraq during the Gulf War. Quoted from his biography, ” Every Man A Tiger,”

“Pakistan has one of the best, most combat ready airforces in the world….. For the Indian war planners, the Pakistan Air Force is their

worst fear. Pakistani pilots are respected throughout the world, ……because they know how to fly and fight.”

About the PAF pilots operating more pilots per plane than their Indian counterparts, here is a quote from an article I find interesting:

“At the present, PAF has a 3:1 cockpit to pilot ratio over the IAF’s 1:1 cockpit to pilot ratio. In other terms, it means

that PAF has three pilots to fly each plane in its inventory and in reality, even though it has a frontline strength of about 476 fighters, it

has nearly 1, 428 pilots to fly them. In comparison, the Indian Air Force has nearly 1,300 pilots to fly its 1,300 combat planes. In purely

combat terms, it means that PAF can generate a higher rate of sorties and it can sustain more combat operations within a given time.

Also, given PAF’s superior cockpit to pilot ratios, it can operate its aircraft in “multiple mission shifts”, which means that it can allow its

pilots to rest between sorties and still have fresh pilots to fly successive combat missions. In other words, a PAF pilot has to fly only

combat sortie per day and he can still have eight to ten hours of rest before his next sortie and thus, he will always be mentally alert and

freshly rested for combat missions.

In contrast, the Indian pilots, because of their 1:1 ratio, will be forced to fly combat sorties with out respite and this will eventually cause

a serious degradation in the IAF’s ability to sustain a high rate of combat sorties. Over a period of time, the continued air combat

operations with out rest will cause the Indian pilots to be tired and as a result the overall mission performance of Indian pilots will suffer.”

Honestly, India’s pilot training is not good and the reason for it is b/c India has followed Eastern ( specifically Russian) doctrine which relies on numbers compared to PAF’s reliance on Western doctrine to train their pilots. The whole phenomena of the “flying coffins” saga that plagued the Indian Air Force during the 1990s and early part of the 2000s was a result of inadequate pilot training. Russian jets which make the biggest share of Indian jets are notoriously hard to maintain, in contrast, Pakistani planes which are mostly American and European origins are relatively easy to maintain and I even heard some reports that it only takes less than 30 mins to overhaul a Pakistan jet and prepare it for another assault while the Indians have to take at least couple hours. So there exists a great discrepancy between the PAF pilot and the Indian Pilot in terms of training and it even extends into the maintenance arena.

It is a great step for India that it has finally decided to invest in better trainers such as the BaE Hawks which will go a long way in helping the Indian pilots become more capable fighters. Honestly, India has the resources and manpower to get a first class pilots but the beaurocrasy is what kills the Indian forces. Just look at the LCAs and Arjuns.

moreover .. if u ll look at the aspect of planes possesed by PAF .. it aint that gr8 .. as of nw … right nw !!!
its behind .. way behind indian air force ..
nt just SU-30mki .. india has one of the largest fleets of mig – 21’s though it might be an old aircraft of 60’s yet .. it is quite well n can challenge ur best F-16’s

That is where Pilot training comes into play. Realistically speaking, I think Pakistan will be able to handle 3:1 ratio. You have to keep in mind, the numbers of squadrons in the Indian Air Force are dwindling fast and even the ACM said something needs to be done about it or else India will lose the quantitative advantage it has enjoyed for decades viz a viz Pakistan.

n claims n comparisons about aircraft is ok till this country issue is nt brought in between .. plz dont mention about that ..

and whatever u said .. evolvingprimate …
hw u gonna solve the problem of 400 aircrafts vs .. 800s .. even if u have 10 awacs .. n wht nt ..

very well said dude!
Indians are quiet now

Regards!

Yes indeed. Pakistan has ordered 6 Erieye AWACS from Sweden and further 2 Hawkeyes to be mounted on their American P3s from the US. Last year too they have signed a MOU with the Chinese to co-develop a new AESA-based AWACS. The Phalcon is not really more capable then the Erieye. personally, I will place my bet on the Erieye. Israeli tech is usually exaggerated just look at the performance of the Green-pine and Arrow against primative Hizbollah rockets. India itself will only get 3 phalcon systems which is no match for 5 Erieyes plus 2 American Hawkeyes and additional Pakistani-Chinese Awacs in the future. I think relatively speaking no matter how crappy Chinese technology might be it is still WAY more advanced then anything India can ever field. Even poor Pakistan I think has better defence industry then India for example compare the following Pakistani and Indian systems

Al Khalid Vs Arjun ( 20 years and hundreds of millions of dollars is yet to be inducted)

JF-17 Thunder Vs LCA

Babur Cruise Missile Vs Brahmos

Ra’ad Air Launched Cruise Missile Vs ?

J-10 Vs ?

So India is in no position to be criticizing others

About the US-Indian excercises, many experts believe that the Americans intentionally performed below par to win more funding from congress. In fact, in many instances American pilots were handicapped due to excessive restrictions.

FYI Pakistani Pilots are 6-0 against the best air force in the world, the Israeli Air Force! So unless India can match that, I don’t think any-one can brag about Indian pilot training when historically PAF was able to maintain Air Superiority over Western Pakistan on each war against numerically bigger India. Let the Facts speak for themselves my friend

Mosley couldn’t hold his own in a serious debate with a 15 year old about this topic but its just himself so he can go off on a tangent and spew his ridiculous ignorance and hate.

The SU-30MKI is a mean fighter no doubt, but within Pakistani Airspace, much of its advantages are neutralized. We are talking with JF-17 that is datalinked to the Erieye AWACS and most likely with RC-400 and MICA Missiles, supported by extensive ground command centers. On top of that the SU-30 will have to face the F-16 Block 52+ which comes with the AMRAAMs ( the best BVR weapons in the world) and J-10s. Contrary to what you believe, on each occassion the PAF has out-gunned and out-performed the IAF. Even the most celebrated fighter pilot, Capt. Chuck Yeager concluded that the PAF trashed the IAF. You can have your opinions, but if you can bring facts, I will be more than happy to shatter your claims!

Good luck